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Letters, Dialogue


Primal Spirit Website welcomes commentary, letters, responses, and dialogue on anything on the site, as well as lengthy expositions on the issues and topics that the site deals with.  This includes responses to the statements and "letters" printed in this Forum.  These comments can be of any form:  serious, humorous, or whatever.  We encourage visitors to this site to take advantage of this opportunity to participate in it and to have their views and thoughts recorded for sharing with others.

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Re:  Your Paper on Spirituality and Primal Perspective

19 March 2004  (uploaded 22 March 2004)

I I have been doing bodywork for 25 years on and off-I worked mostly in Boston with the flavor of the Denver protocol-

During my journey, I had 2 hospitalizations, one born again experience, enough Synchronicity to give Shirley Maclane a run for her money, and felt like a guinea pig and psychic warrior at the same time-

I went to two IPA conventions, but found most people in the movement unfocused though well meaning-

I LOVED YOUR PAPER ON SPIRITUALITY AND PRIMAL!

You don't usually see those two words in the same sentence - I am just a layman but your thoughts were so well expressed and absolutely right on from my experience - it was so refreshing to read - 

No question both stillness and expression can release the static of being stuck between stations - Either one can bring you to the other -

Having been depressed and truly Bi-polar (The phrase is tossed around too lightly today) most of my life, God came in and was totally complimentary to the work - in fact, I believe that his/her power to burn off emotion (and past traumas) is vastly underrated (As the Christians say, the fire of the holy spirit).

Both God and deep feeling work saved my life and now the joy is flowing . . . 

Thanks for a great abstract, it was inspiring and eloquently stated - 

Donald Magder

 


 

22 March 2004

Mickel Adzema's (WebGuy's) Response:

Dear Donald,

Thanks for your kind words and the feedback.   

I am writing a series of articles that deal with the crucial importance of spirituality, especially at a certain stage of the primal process.  I have parts 1 and 2 up on the website, as

Reunion With the Positive (Self), Part One: The Other Half of ‘The Cure’” at http://www.primalspirit.com/pr1_2adzema_reunion_part_1.htm

and “Reunion With the Positive (Self), Part Two: The Therapist’s Role – Unconditional Acceptance Versus Enabling – And ‘Real Love’ As Essential in Therapy and Spirituality” at http://www.primalspirit.com/pr3_1adzema_reunion_pt2_unconditional.htm.

And I am writing a Part 3 in which I am dealing, full on, with the kind of thing you express in your email.  Your email so expresses what I have discovered in my own process, as well as many others, who’ve truly taken the process to its “farther limits.”  No less than Graham Farrant, noted for his work in popularizing the idea of cellular consciousness – sperm and egg memory – had pointed out before he passed away, in front an audience of 500 at a Pre- and Perinatal Psychology Conference in 1992, how he had not truly felt “completely accepted” and made whole, until he had a particular spiritual experience – this, after years of primaling to the depths.

If you read the articles referred to above and have any comments, I’d love to hear them.

Also, if you read the published articles and would like to then also see what I have so far ready for part 3 “Fostering the Emergence of the Positive (Self),” I would be happy to email it to you for any comments and/or suggestions.

Once again, thanks.  It means a lot to me to know that my writing has helped someone by confirming something inside of them.

Warm regards, 

Michael Adzema


BDSM, BPM III, Sexuality, and Body Energy (Awareness) -- Re:  Apocalypse, Or New Age?  The Emerging Perinatal Unconscious

27 September 2000  (uploaded 28 September 2000)

Dear Mickel,

I received an e-mail leading me to your on-line book, Apocalypse, or New Age?  The Emerging Perinatal Unconscious, about an hour ago, and since then I am a fascinated reader with all the “trues” and “ahas” you can think of.

To introduce myself:  My name is Carolin Fuerst, I'm studying transpersonal psychology on-line with Naropa.  I had my second holotropic breathwork experience just a couple of days ago, which left me deeply touched by a realm of experience nobody is talking  about (or has been until now).

During the last two year I started to develop a thought structure looking for all the negativity and brutality that surrounds us in everyday existence, asking a lot of questions about the urgency and the apparent need that underlies this kind of “cultural feedback.”

Last year I became a dominatrix.  While in the beginning I was still superficially interested in the narrative and aesthetic aspect of this work (naively thinking this is part of the real game plan), I discovered pretty soon that there are a lot of repetitive structures, or fixations, that these people try to unleash and live for one or more hours.

I do strongly believe in the connection between BPM III and BDSM [bondage-domination/ sado-masochism] and I am looking for others to share possible studies about these experiences.

Sexuality and body awareness (body energy) and the transpersonal are the focus of my thoughts and I would be more than thankful for every idea or reference you could give me on these subjects.

Sincerely,
Carolin Fuerst
carolinfu@hotmail.com
 


28 September 2000

Mickel Adzema's (WebGuy's) Response:

Dear Carolin,

I think your first place to start is with Stanislav Grof's works.  Check out the links on the bottom of his article on this site ("Planetary Survival and Consciousness Evolution:  Psychological Roots of Human Violence and Greed"), or click here.

Beyond that, I would check out the references he cites in his books.  Finally, you may receive some help in this area from someone reading your post on this Forum.  I encourage folks to respond to Carolin, if you know of any way you can help.

Good luck.  And thanks for your sharing.

Warm regards,

Mickel
mickel@primalspirit.com


Letter to the Editor:  The Old Man in the Vatican is in the Middle but not at the Center

27 September 2000  (uploaded 27 September 2000)

Dear Sir,

Christianity emerged more or less in the middle of human history and in
many countries the starting point of their solar calendar, is the birthyear of Jesus Christ (AD = Anno  Domini, BC = Before Christ).  Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, and Muslims are using the lunar calendar.

Christianity was preceded by six major religions: Buddhism, Hinduism,
Judaism, Shintoism, Taoism, and Zoroatrianism.  It was followed by Bahaism, Islam, Jainism, Sikhism, and many other smaller religions.

Notwithstanding this enormous variety of faiths, Pope John Paul II and
his ultra-conservative adviser Cardinal Ratzinger are still convinced  that Roman Catholicism (RC) is the authentic religion in the world and that only the adherents to this faith will be saved (salvation).

Recently the Pope went even one step further and publicly expressed
doubt about the salvation of the Anglicans, Orthodox Catholics, and Protestants, who are his Christian brothers.  Maybe he thinks that there is a second-class heaven and hell reserved for them somewhere.

Notwithstanding the fact that Jesus Christ was born as a Jew and an adherent of the Judaism religion, the Pope's relations with Judaism are still not one of the best.  Also his contacts with Islam, the third monotheistic religion, are very limited.

Recently he made a big mistake by beatifying Pope Pius IX.  With this act he antagonized not only the Jews, but also his brother in Christ, the Archbishop of Canterbury and leader of the Anglican church, who protested vigorously.  It is well known that  Pope Pius IX had anti-Semitic inclinations, but what is worse is that he proclaimed the dogmas of the Immaculate Conception of Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, and Papal Infallibility.  These two dogmas will make unification of all Christians very difficult to realize, because they are not acceptable to the non-RC Christians.

The Pope's relations with the non-monotheistic religions are negligible.  It is very rare to see a Buddhist, Hindu, or Taoist dignitary in the Vatican.  The Buddhist Patriarch of Sri Lanka once refused to meet the Pope in Colombo, because he had declared in one of his addresses that Buddhism is atheistic.
From a purely theological point of view this may be correct, because Buddhism does not  have a God.  But in the ears of many people in the world, the word atheism has a rather negative connotation.  On a number of occasions, the Pope has also declared that the RC Church reserves the right to proselytize adherents of other religions.  This statement  will definitely not improve his popularity amongst other religions and particularly not with Hindus and Muslims.

Visitors to old fashioned RC churches in Italy, Latin America, Poland, and  Spain -- with their colorful images, flowers, candles, incense, and the use of water -- will have undoubtedly noticed that they look very much the same as Buddhist, Hindu, or Taoist temples.  In this connection it may be of interest to mention that, according to Tibetan manuscripts, Jesus did not spend 17 years
(12-29 AD) in the carpenter shop of his father Joseph, but that he traveled in caravans to the East, first as a student and later as a teacher.  In these countries he mastered Hindu and Buddhist scriptures, learned to heal and
cast out devils, and prepared himself for his three years of teaching in Palestine (30-33 AD).  The Bible is almost mute about this period in the life of Jesus Christ.  The only exception is Luke 2-52 where it says:  "And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and men."

Pope John Paul II has done very little, in a practical way, to stop the violence between Roman Catholics ( Burundi, Rwanda, Uganda, and Zaire), between Christians (Bosnia, Northern Ireland),  between Christians and Muslims (Indonesia, Philippines, Sudan, and Yugoslavia) and between Christians and Hindus (India).

He is a stern opponent of birth control, extramarital sex, homosexuality, euthanasia, and the ordination of female priests.  He is very much in favor of the celibacy of his own priests.

The unification of, or at least,  the improvement of the understanding and relations between the thousands of religions in the world has a very low priority for this Pope.  This notwithstanding the fact that  religions, even at the present  time, very often are at the  root of  very violent conflicts, which have killed millions of people and transformed innocent and peaceful civilians into miserable refugees.  It is also significant that the Pope was absent at the recent inter-religious meeting at the United Nations in New York.

The great achievement of Pope John Paul II's pontificate has been, without any doubt, his role in the peaceful elimination of Communism in Europe and some other countries in the world.

Historians will have the last word in appraising the significance of this remarkable, conservative religious leader both in the history of the RC church and the world as a whole.

With kind regards,

Frans Soede
frans.soede@love-or-money.org
Publisher of the Website http://www.love-or-money.org
Address: Patong Resort suite # 532, Patong Beach. Phuket 83150, Thailand.
Telephone: 66 76 340551


Re:  "Children Recalling Birth"

26 September 2000  (uploaded 28 September 2000)

Mickel,

Thanks so much for sharing this with us.

Melody


Thanks for the Perinatal Book (Apocalypse, Or New Age?  The Emerging Perinatal Unconscious), and Tips on Being a Writer

25 September 2000  (uploaded 25 September 2000)

Bless you for creating this information source: Apocalypse, Or New Age?  The Emerging Perinatal Unconscious.  I am a little less depressed now about the
state of the world and the madness of the people in it.  I have already mentioned your book to several friends.

Minor tech question:  Is there a simple way for me to grab a copy of the whole book to forward to people?  Plus I would like to keep a copy on my hard drive.  I feel like the more copies of it that exits, the less likely it can be lost or forgotten or destroyed.

More questions:  I am also beginning to write and I am hesitant about letting anybody see my stuff.  How do you know when a book or story is done enough so that you can let friends or editors look at a new creation?

Bob Stafford
bob-stafford@mediaone.net


25 September 2000

Mickel Adzema's (WebGuy's) Response:

Dear Bob,

Thank you for your very kind words about my book.  I am very happy that it has given you some insight that helps you to see the current "wildness" from a more positive perspective.  That is the most that I, as an author, hope to accomplish:  specifically, giving people hope and enlightening their perspective . . . helping people to see that there is a truly divine plan behind the seeming madness; and moreover to help people to see that the suffering that they see on the outside is mostly a reflection of the suffering that we carry within, which causes us to overemphasize the negative and to blot out the positive.

Your efforts and intentions to promote my ideas are most welcome.  Unfortunately, I have not the time to put out a paper version of the book, as I am currently working on several others that are extremely timely (which I will upload on my site first).  But feel free to keep a copy on your hard drive; and of course you can attach chapters in e-mails to people, as well as refer them to the site (providing them with a link or at least a url) to your heart's content.  Some people have simply printed the book on their printer -- though that is costly.  Anything you would wish to do, I would welcome.  I might have a paper version out in about six months or so.  Of course, I will announce that event on my site, when it happens, and I would be delighted for you to pass out as many copies as you wish.

Now, as for your questions concerning being a writer:  I have thought about it, and I realize that two simple rules would sum up everything I know and have learned (often the hard way):  1.  Your creation is ready to be shared at the exact moment that you have the courage to accept whatever feedback might result -- good, bad, indifferent.  2.  And this is the most important:  THE SOONER THE BETTER!

On point Number 2, fear is a writer's worst enemy, and yet, when once engaged in battle, is surprisingly easy to defeat.  After a while, there is no fear.  After a while -- after learning that some people are going to love your writing and others are going to hate it, no matter what you do -- you stop caring what "they" are going to think.  At that point, you write to be true to the truth as you see it, and to be true to yourself, and you write because there is something inside you that is demanding to be let out, and you know that your only option -- if you are a true writer -- is to let it out and to let the muses or whatever they are, have their way with you.  (Speaking metaphorically, of course.)

I hope that is helpful.  I know it is something that I wish someone would have told me thirty years ago so that it wouldn't have taken me 15 years to get published for the first time (I had chances to be published fifteen years before that, but was too afraid.)

Thanks again for your kind words and for any and all your efforts to promote the ideas that forced me into writing them.  :-)

Warm regards,

Mickel
mickel@primalspirit.com


Gabriela's Story:  My First Reliving of Birth in Holotropic Breathwork:  "When Are We Going to Wake Up?"

6 September 2000  (uploaded 20 September 2000)

Dear Mickel,

I've just visited your Primal Spirit site and found it  fascinating.  I've been interested in the way we human beings handle birth ever since I had myself the experience of giving birth, which went from a horrible experience with my first son to the wonderful one of giving birth in natural childbirth, with my other three children.

The experience of motherhood also made me face the neurosis I was carrying when I started hurting those I love most: My own children.  This led me to a long journey of self search and discovery, especially after having read Alice Miller's books.  I started having Reichian therapy, which was a tremendous help to understand many things.  A few months ago, I started holotropic breath therapy, which has been a milestone in my life.  I also came across psychohistory and have been a student, on-line, for several months.  I find psychohistory fascinating.

I'm a Mexican puppeteer; and I feel that my life task is to help spread all the goodness I've unearthed in my self-discovery through puppetry, which is, to my view, one of the most powerful means of communication.  For puppets reach the inner child we all have, no matter how hurt or abused she or he might be.  I'm currently working on a project to make a TV puppetry show where children DO have a voice.

I loved your site.   I want to share with you what I wrote after having had my first rebirthing experience a few months ago.  I wrote this, while I was thinking from a psychohistory perspective and wondering about the importance of facing the way the medical establishment treats women who are giving birth in a hospital setting and how the obstetricians' and pediatricians' ignorance hurts so many babies for life.

Sites like yours can help a lot of people.  Thanks.

This is what I wrote after reliving my birth for the first time:

This morning I had  the most wonderful experience.   I had a therapeutic session to remember my birth, which is brought about by simply breathing in a certain way.  First, I started breathing deeply with my mouth.  It first helped me to relax all my body, and then I started feeling how the energy was running through my body, towards my hands.  I felt the energy move, more and more, till it started vibrating so much in my hands that they were moving too.  The same energy went through my body to my genitals and legs, and I could clearly feel how it went through my body and out, as in a great energy cataract, which took away with it all the pain.

Then I started having images of my own birth; these were a mixture of sensations.  I was feeling, all at the same time, as if I was being born, as if I was my mother, and also as if I was giving birth to my first child; and I integrated all three of these experiences in a healing way.

Suddenly, I started feeling dizzy with the anesthesia and felt my stomach sick.  The sickness came and went like in waves.  I was born in 1955, when they would put women to sleep, just at the most important moment, when they had to start pushing.  I felt in panic, with my mother sound asleep, unable and unwilling to help me, and the forceps coming in; and I was so helpless and so scared.  I was shouting at her:  Why didn't she want to feel?  And why didn't she want me to be a woman?  I could feel all her pain too.

I could also feel how the forceps were tightening around my head and how I was gasping for air.  I could see a red, long tunnel with light at the far end.  The light suddenly turned into a terribly blinding light, that I could not stand, but nobody cared.  I could feel the same burning sensations I had in my vagina when my children were born, how the baby slid out, the umbilical cord.  But at the same time I could feel that I was the baby being born, the tightening sensation in my body and a piercing pain in my right shoulder as I came out.

I was suddenly out, in a room with bluish green walls, in the blinding light, which I could not stand, but nobody seemed to know what I was feeling.  I was feeling terribly cold, with everybody just handling me and weighing and measuring me, without having the slightest idea of what I was feeling.  I was crying and wanted to shout at them:  Can't  you see that I am cold?  I don't want to be here!  I was still feeling the sickening sensation of the anesthesia; that made me also cough.  It was like a mixture of images.  I felt the forceps on my head, I was choking and coughing and suddenly I found I'd put myself in a fetal position.  Then I fall asleep for a few seconds, and I woke up in an incubator.

I was still cold and feeling dizzy and sick in my stomach, and the smell in my actual therapy room was like anesthesia.  At the same time I felt a great peaceful sensation and could clearly see and feel the light of the energy that went into my body through my head and navel, that went down to my vagina and out in a curtain of light that seemed to envelop the world.  I had a wonderful sensation of all this energy concentrating in my genitals, with a nonstop, almost  orgasmic sensation, as a great powerful and healing force that irradiated out in a healing light that mixed up with the light outside that had a very different color -- brighter and livelier.

Now I knew what it meant to be a woman and what we were here for.  I knew that the inner healing force that was within me was like a light that would always be on, no matter what the weather outside was like -- sunny, cloudy, stormy, or whatever.  This is the wonderful, creative, loving, and healing power we have as women.

But it is stuck within us like being locked inside a cage.  Instead, with all kinds of quite opposite horrible aggressions, babies are "welcomed" into the world.  "Welcomed," they are, by insensitive, ignorant, and pain-crazed people -- parents, the medical establishment, all alike.  When are we going to wake up?  When are we going to start using and sharing this healing power?  Instead of locking it into a cage of pain?

Babies should be welcomed in a cozy, loving environment, instead of the aggressive one that is the norm in most hospitals.  I think that there's still a lot to be researched in psychohistory: about the way we are born and the reactions, attitudes, and fears that surround pregnancy, birthing and nursing, which basically deny our healing power for love.

Gabriela Ortiz-Monasterio
gabrielaom@unimedia.net.mx
Morelia, Michoacan
MEXICO


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Mechanized Birth, Visions of a Better Way, and a Program for Discovering Your Soul Destiny

9 September 2000  (uploaded 20 September 2000)

Thanks Mickel, it has been fascinating exploring your ideas and your perspective on life, the universe and all that (to quote a well known book from the Eighties!)

I have become increasingly disenchanted with my working life (as a midwife in hospitals) and have been seeking a pathway that would help me help people live lives that are happy, healthy and fulfilled.  The so called health system is in fact an illness and death system and, from my vantage point of midwifery, only serves to make people more afraid and therefore more likely to encounter and experience the sort of birth that causes so much trauma.

I am finishing my masters in primary health care and run prenatal education workshops for pregnant women and their partners.  I do the occasional homebirth, used to be in full-on private practice, but the political climate around homebirth is a challenge here in Australia.   I guess with my ongoing personal development that may get easier to deal with.   I also write and am writing a couple of books at the moment.  I feel my future is in writing the sort of book that is helpful for pregnant women and their partners to birth in safety of the internal kind.

I have a vision for oases for pregnant and birthing women plus their families in every neighborhood, where they can come and stay, cruise with others, have massages and kinesiology, talk with parents, feel happy and content.  I feel a bit concerned with the reproductive technologies and the push for mechanization -- taking fetal development out of women's bodies and putting fetuses in tanks to grow.  Especially when the knowledge about hormonal influence on fetal emotional development becomes well known in the medical world, women's bodies are already constructed as inherently flawed and the fetus is constructed as an endangered species, so it is only a matter of time till childbearing is far too important to leave to the vagaries and inconsistencies of female's bodies.   Can you imagine the emotional robots that will be produced then?

I have discovered a solidly based program which assists people to discover
their soul destiny and provides no-strings mentoring support.  I have been
fortunate to have been able to get onto this product now when it is in prelaunch stage world-wide.  The product is a program series of personal development courses.  The courses are in five packages; the first is a home-study system providing the basics and a developmental workbook.  The remaining four packages are seminar based and build on the home study course with high levels of integration.  The courses work toward the full development of the individual with the goal of each person reaching their life purpose or, if you like, their soul destiny.

The business side of this (and of the soul destiny) is fully supported by mentoring groups which I find to be extremely positive.  We see it as a home-based business with flexible hours, high income potential, as well as ongoing personal growth.

At this early stage, there is a very good chance of becoming a facilitator with the seminars, but that is not a definite.  Because of what I have read of your work, I couldn't help but wonder if you are interested in such a program, too.  If you are interested in taking an open and serious look at this as an opportunity for you and a useful adjunct to what you are doing, let me know.

Thanks for your work and your updating.  I appreciate what you are doing
very much.  I am also interested in what got you started on this path you
are into?

warmly, Carolyn

Carolyn Hastie
heartlogic@iprimus.com.au
Heartlogic Consultancy


20 September 2000

Mickel Adzema's (WebGuy's) Response:

Carolyn,

Thanks for your informative comments on the state of birthing from your experienced perspective.  It cannot be said too much on this site about the irresponsible increased mechanization of birth . . . ironically occurring right alongside all we are knowing, in a scientific way even, of the huge and harmful lifelong ramifications of unnatural birth, as well as all the knowledge we have gained about the astounding effects of increased human potential and nonviolence occurring as a result of gentle, natural birth.

I wholeheartedly applaud your vision(s).  It inspires me and gives me hope to know that there are people like you out there who have imaginations as big as their hearts.  I've lately been dealing with a lot of pseudo-intellectuals around these topics and all I hear is their projected Pain: "the sky is falling," etc., or, one might say their cynicism.  Cynicism has become "cool."  Yet it is the opposite of having vision.  Thanks for the temporary antidote.

Your program sounds wonderful.  I wish you well in it.  And by posting it here, maybe there are some who would want to contact you to find out more about it.

But as for myself and Mary Lynn, well, as "Our Personal Note" has detailed, we are only now making it out from a four-year long "trials of Job."  And we have many commitments and visions of our own that we are way behind on.  It will take us a long time to see an open space to add anything more to our lives.  And besides, we feel our greatest service, our greatest dharma, is to spread the word to as many people who have "ears to hear" about the kinds of things you, and people like you,  are doing.  We have had to cut our lives down, now,  to the bare essentials, not even doing our workshops -- which would be the next thing we would add.  Right now that includes working on this website and trying to help the world by getting Gore elected -- someone who, despite what the heartless cynics say, is a man of compassion, honesty, and global consciousness, and much more.  But I digress.

So, do keep me apprised of your progress.  Who knows, someday, something like what you say might be in the cards for us.  We have learned -- had "beaten" into us actually -- that life is a series of the unexpected . . . it is always changing . . . or it is not life!

Finally, as to what got me started on the path I am into:  well, that is a story that would take a book to respond to.  Ask me again another time, when I might have more time to reply.  Or maybe I'll remember it and write it up sometime and let you know.

I'm sorry things are rough for you in Australia in what you are trying to do, but they are also here in the States.  What I like to point out is how "We're all in this together."  And how the power of the world-wide-web and the Internet make possible these kinds of alliances and support systems -- like we have -- though we are half a world apart.  I think that is cause for some hope.  And it is why I am making this website my top priority.  For it is only through our strength in numbers and the combining of our voices that we can hope, in my opinion, to overturn the entrenched interests as they continue down their road of horrors, unaffected by what they do because of the psychic "blinders" that they have strapped on.

Good to hear from you, as always.  And thanks for your sharing.  I hope that others will respond to your offer -- I know many who are searching for a way to help, as well as to grow, but have yet to find it.  Perhaps you and they will find each other.

Warm regards,

Mickel
mickel@primalspirit.com


On "Whining" Or "Slowly Is Holy"

31 August 2000  (uploaded 28 September 2000)

When my daughter whined a lot, I did an experiment.  I sat on my stoop and whined as long as I could.  Try it and see what it achieves for you personally.

What I learned is that it helped me slow down.

Many of us need that pretty often.

slowly is holy

Denise P. Judson
denisejudson@juno.com
San Francisco, CA


In Praise of Black Sheep; Related Article:  "Are Some 'Sick' People More Healthy Than 'Normals'"

31 August 2000  (uploaded 27 September 2000)

IN PRAISE OF BLACK SHEEP
Rule-breaking children make the most self-reliant and independent adults

By Johann Christoph Arnold

There's a black sheep in every flock, and there are few of us who don't know one, or didn't know one as a child.  Every family, every class, has one: that brother or sister, boy or girl, who's always in trouble, who's prone to stretch limits or take things "too far," who's embarrassingly honest, who never fits in.  It's that child over whom every teacher puzzles longest and every parent loses the most sleep.

But no matter how natural the phenomenon, being a misfit is never easy.  Because children are so vulnerable, and because they are dependent on the adults around them, they are far more sensitive to criticism than one might guess, and far more easily crushed.  And even if their natural forgetfulness and their amazing capacity to forgive relieves most children of much that might burden an adult, there are those whose self-confidence can be shriveled by an unjust accusation, a cutting remark, or a hasty miscalculation.

Whenever we pass judgment on a child, we fail to see him as a whole person.  True, he may be nervous, shy, stubborn, moody, or violent; we may know his siblings or his background, or think we recognize family traits.  But to focus on any one aspect of a child, especially a negative one, is to put him in a box whose sides may not really be determined by reality, but only by our own expectations.

Obviously, every child is different. Some seem to get all the lucky breaks, while others have a rough time simply coping with life.  One child consistently brings home perfect scores, while the next is always at the bottom of the class.  Another is gifted and popular, while still another, no matter how hard he tries, is always in trouble and often gets forgotten.  As parents, we must refrain from showing favoritism, and from comparing our children with others.  Above all, we must refrain from pushing them to become something that their unique personal makeup may never allow them to be.

Neither should we forget that raising a "good" child is a dubious goal in the first place, if only because the line between instilling integrity and breeding self-righteousness is so fine. Getting into trouble can be a vital part of building a child's character.  As the Polish pediatrician Janusz Korczak points out:  "The good child cries very little, he sleeps through the night, he is confident and good-natured.  He is well-behaved, convenient, obedient, and good.  Yet no consideration is given to the fact that he may grow up to be indolent and stagnant."

It is often hard for parents to see the benefits of having raised a difficult child -- even when the outcome is positive.  But strange as it may sound, I believe that the more challenging the child, the more grateful the parent should be.  If anything, parents of difficult children ought to be envied, because it is they, more than any others, who are forced to learn the most wonderful secret of true parenthood: the meaning of unconditional love.  It is a secret that remains hidden from those whose love is never tested.

At a conference in the Sixties, at a time when "maladjustment" was the educational catchphrase of the day, Martin Luther King shocked teachers and parents by turning the supposed problem on its head.  "Thank God for maladjusted children," a colleague remembers him saying.

When we welcome the prospect of raising the problematic child with these things in mind, we will begin to see our frustrations as moments that can awaken our best qualities.  And instead of envying the ease with which our neighbors seem to raise perfect offspring, we will remember that rule-breakers and children who show their horns often make more self-reliant and independent adults than those whose limits are never tried.  By helping
us to discover the limitations of "goodness" and the boredom of conformity, they can teach us the necessity of genuineness, the wisdom of humility, and finally the reality that nothing good is won without struggle.

From "ENDANGERED: Your Child in a Hostile World" by J. C. Arnold.
Free ebook & interactive website: http://www.plough.com/endangered
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Email the author at JCA@plough.com


Re:   "Are Some 'Sick' People More Healthy Than 'Normals'"  -- Provocative Reading . . . Any Pointers?

28 August 2000  (uploaded 20 September 2000)

Hmmmm, provocative reading, in just a few minutes, on ..."muse_sick..." page.

I have been seeking perspectives on a very specific kind of abuse (neglect), the "Watsonian behaviorist" regimen described in his and wife's 1928 book, "(something . . . care of Infant and Child)".   Personal data on this period (late 20's to 1943-44 or so) is going to be drying up -- I discovered my involvement fairly late and got into some of the core with some astounding regressions or flashbacks to age 4-6 months, (guess by therapist), then did some "Reichian" therapy for 15 months which had uncertain results -- we stopped it because the personality structure I had accumulated began unraveling and I seemed to be
drifting backwards. . . .

Well, curious if you have any pointers.

Peter
San Mateo, CA


20 September 2000

Mickel Adzema's (WebGuy's) Response:

Peter,

Thanks for your kind comments on my MusePaper.

As for pointers:  I am not your therapist, but I can say that most therapists know little or nothing about the primal and breathwork processes that are discussed on this site.  From this perspective, one cannot "unravel" without it being a good thing -- in fact it's a necessary part of the process.  I am sorry your therapist became afraid when you began "drifting backwards" -- for that is what we have found to be a necessary precursor to "going forward."  You might call it a "healing crisis" or what I have called "The Centered Path Through Hell."

At any rate, if you are serious about your process, you will find more than enough information to start your process on this site.  Not only are there books and articles here that would help you, but there are links, under "Groovy Links," to people who would help you to go deeper into where you were going, rather than to back off when you were getting closest to being well.  I would especially recommend a Holotropic Breathwork facilitator -- they are everywhere, and are trained specifically, by Stanislav Grof, to help people through these kinds of crises that you were apparently going through.

We have a saying:  "The fastest way to get where you are going, is to be most fully exactly where you are."

Best of luck to you in your process,

Warm regards,

Mickel
mickel@primalspirit.com


Re:   "You Might As Well Please Yourself" and "A Personal Note"

8 September 2000  (uploaded 15 September 2000)

Mickel:  I saved one paragraph that really rang true to how I think and feel and wanted to share with you.  You might say it was just the right medicine I needed this morning.  You wrote:
"Or, if for whatever reason, you have decided to "delist" me, then just tell me so.  I won't fight you on it.  I've got more to do in my life than I can handle anyway so being kicked off the list would just free up some time for me; and after the last four years -- after what my wife and I have been through -- we are beyond being insulted; we don't give a damn what people think of us any more, because we have four years of training in the reality that you are going to be hated and persecuted by some people no matter what (and that you will be very much loved by SOME of the others when you are true to yourself).  As Rick Nelson (who shares my birthdate coincidentally) sang 'You can't please, everyone, so, you might as well please yourself.'"
Mickel:  My whole life, because I chose to take a different path than most and to follow what my natural path was, I have been called selfish, a snob because I am selective with whom I share my life with, have "rocked the boat" wherever I have worked, and the list goes on.  I have had to sever ties with those I "thought" cared.  I have had some personal successes.  I have been homeless.  Needless to say I have gone through much.  The last 4 years the hardest (yet, also the most enlightening).  I have been prosecuted by others for my beliefs as well as my natural talents. What happened to me on two occasions in these last 4 years many could not live through. There have been times I questioned if there is any reason to go on.

"To thine self be true," has been a motto I have kept in my head.  Similar to Rickie Nelson's "pleasing yourself."  But somehow this society believes a different way.  I have never fit it, nor have I wanted to.  The cost to my personal happiness seemed way to high.

I live as a recluse and from time to time, have to go out and work in the world.  It seems every time I go out there and work amongst others, I am greatly aware of how bullying, inconsiderate, full of bad intentions and motivations, and immature, others are.  I also note that my creativity level either dwindles or stops completely.  There is little compensation for "pleasing others."  When you do they seem to expect it all the time and then you realize you no longer have a life of your own.  Unfortunately there are those who believe they are to be respected and/or taken care of by others, however, for the life of me, I have only met a few people who I thought were worth spending time with -- much less respected -- respect goes both ways.  Somehow people forget this.

My life, and I am sure you and your wife's life, is far too precious to be weighed down by petty bullshit.  But that is all I think people like.

Again, refreshing to read your words.

Kathryn
mightymini@earthlink.net


On Having Been Homeless

8 September 2000  (uploaded 15 September 2000)

Mickel:

I sent you an earlier email and I wanted to add to it:

On being homeless:  I can say I understand now why people choose to make homelessness a way of life.  I can also say that I met some really good people.

This society has brainwashed everyone in believing you have to have a lot to be happy -- this is not true.  Why cannot people realize that it is all corporate greed?  That we are being used, manipulated, and our pocketbooks emptied, so others are fat?

Kathryn
mightymini@earthlink.net

P.S.  I have been penalized for telling people I have been homeless (mainly by the unenlightened ones).


Re: "Primal Process and Higher Personality" article, Stan Grof article, and Breathwork Section

10 September 2000  (uploaded 10 September 2000)

Thank you, Mickel, for these materials!

It seems that "Primal Process and Higher Personality"  is close to were I'm now:  the deepening, new qualities of integration, more mastering.

Hug, or three,
Anna Tsymbal


Re: "The Emerging Perinatal Unconscious" article:  Reflects an Unconscious Bias Against "Gay Liberation" and "Open Marriage"?

29 August 2000  (uploaded 2 September 2000)

Hi Michael,

I've just read your article "The Emerging Perinatal Unconscious" and find it very interesting.  Lots of your ideas resonate with me; and as a midwife and mother, I can really relate to what you say.

I find it interesting however, that you lump 'open marriage' and 'gay liberation' in with the 'unleashing of the aggressive impulse in the many wars and revolutionary upheavals in the world, in the rising criminality, terrorism and racial riots . . . demonic element is also becoming increasingly manifest in the modern world . . . " paragraph.  I find that linguistic association fascinating and wonder if it is a reflection of your unconscious bias or whether you are consciously and overtly oriented to that world view?   I am interested in your response.

Thanks, with interest,

Carolyn Hastie
heartlogic@iprimus.com.au
Heartlogic Consultancy


2 September 2000

Mickel Adzema's (WebGuy's) Response:

Carolyn,

Thanks so much for your note and comments.  I am especially eager to respond to what you say about putting those elements together.  For apparently it has
slipped past you that I am quoting Grof in that section.  It is he that is
lumping those elements together.  And it is just exactly the facet you pointed
out that has always grated on me in that quote, for I would not have lumped
"open marriage" and "gay liberation" together with those "demonic" elements.  And I hate it when people think of me as biased (in the ways that I am not, anyway) when I am simply being a good scholar in quoting the man and his opinions the way he said it without trying to control it by censoring him.  Other than those parts you point out I think the quote is a concise summary of what a man with a great deal of wisdom has to offer us on understanding the current situation.

So I appreciate your giving me the chance to set the record straight as to my own attitudes, separate from his!  For I am from a different generation from Grof -- "weaned" on The Harrad Experiment -- and I don't see the sexual in the negative ways that I believe generations previous to mine (and I suspect yours) have.

I have wondered for a long time if I would get painted with the same brush as Grof on that aspect of the quote, and your comment tells me that apparently I have left myself open to that.

Thanks again, so much, for your kind comments on my article and for this opportunity to set the record straight in an area where my personal opinion differs from the quote.

Regards,

Mickel


Re: Apocalypse, Or New Age? book:  A Positive View; Also: Physicians As Legal Drug Pushers, My Holotropic Breathwork Experiences, Our Earth's Deep Sorrow

18 June 2000  (uploaded 17 August 2000)

Thank you for your reply. . . .

I am very pleased to have discovered your internet site and intend to return to it.  I recently downloaded and read your book APOCALYPSE, OR NEW AGE and am amazed at how you have been able to bring a more positive view of why there is so much violence acting out today.  You are exactly
right -- everyone's "stuff" is coming closer to the surface to be dealt with!

What is sad, however, is that there are so few people out there who are willing to face their shadows and heal them.  In my own life, I reached a "do or die" situation to finally face my demons.  I don't know if I would have had the courage to do so if I had more of a choice.

In reference to people's stuff coming to the surface, I get frustrated with all the drugs being given out to help people to push it all back in.  Parents are even drugging their babies with stuff like Prozac to numb them out.  Your book helped me to understand . . . That's why everyone is numbing out -- because their stuff is closer to the surface than ever before . . . except they are too scared to deal with it.  It is sad that so many physicians have become "drug technicians" instead of the healers they were meant to be.  (I understand that in medical schools today they are pushing drug therapy as opposed to any forms of psychotherapy for their future psychiatrists.)

The powers that be don't understand why the "Say No To Drugs" program isn't working.  What they really are saying to the kids is "Say No To ILLEGAL Drugs."  But kids aren't stupid.  We live in a LEGAL drug-addicted society.  All the kids have to do is look into their own parents' medicine cabinet!
Duh!!!

I don't know if you are interested, but I'd like to give you a short synopsis of my own history with breathwork.  I have studied psychology on my own for thirty-some years (I am now fifty-two) and have several of Grof's and Janov's books.  (I think it's great that Janov did actual experiments to show the brain changes taking place during and following therapy sessions.)

In 1983 I was diagnosed with mitral valve prolapse and was put on drugs that gave me seizures.  The doctors just wanted to give me more drugs, but instead I started getting involved with natural therapies.  In 1986 I started getting severe classic migraine headaches (a repeat of what I
experienced in the second trimester of both my pregnancies) and tried lots of different therapies that didn't work.  This led me into joining a holotropic breathwork workshop group in 1987.  I participated in group sessions once every six weeks over an eighteen-month period.  (During that time I got "rolfed" and after the third rolfing session the classic migraines stopped.)  The breathwork was extremely healing -- on a deep emotional level.

I never experienced my actual birth experience, but lots of other stuff came up, including what appeared to be past-life memories and their connections in this life.  After eighteen months I found I could access stuff on my own, so I continued doing that in my own home.  (I was once a person who got depressed a great deal.  I rarely get depressed now, but if I ever do feel "depression" I know it is a signal that something is ready to come up and be resolved.)  One time something incredible happened.  I tapped into the planet and "felt" the deep sorrow our Earth feels for what humankind has done to it.  (Not anger, but tremendous sadness.)

Again, thank you for replying and for your generous offer.

Cheryl Ross

cheryl14@email.msn.com


17 August 2000

Mickel Adzema's (WebGuy's) Response:

I couldn't agree more with so much of what you have written.  Thank you for your courageous sharing.

Mickel


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